Over Manipulatd Crap

This is a discussion on Over Manipulatd Crap within the Casual Chat forums, part of the OTHER FORUMS category; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/re...italtampering/ Great link btw. Loved reading it. [/quote] It was a great read but it is more a compilation of famous fakes than anything. I ...


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    Great link btw. Loved reading it.
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    It was a great read but it is more a compilation of famous fakes than anything. I do think that this points out one of the problems of stock photos; they can be any kind of mis-representation and the original photographer can not add an anotation to the images so that it is clear the image is a manipulation.

    But one should also note that most of the images in the article were manipulated using traditional commercial photography tools; darkroom manipulation, air brush, etc. The question of photographic manipulation is as old as photography. It is just that digital darkroom techniques puts a darkroom in the hands of every one. And as before, some can use the aribrush and other can't. But the playing field has become flatter.

    When you do darkroom work you always do a test strip to determine the "right exposure" for a print. If the negative is not quit right you can add a filter or chose a paper that will help to "bring out" the image as you see it. If I know the film didn't get properly exposed, I can push process the film, use stonger chemicals, or shorten the development time. If part of the image is too dark, you can dodge it using a mask. If it's too light you can burn it in using a mask. In the darkroom I can solarize the image; I can invert it, twist and do most of the things I would do to "fix" it in Photoshop. Photoshop just makes it easier without all the chemical mess.

    So the real question is should an image be manipulated, period! To debate anything else, is to debate the wrong question.
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    All great painting are nothing more than manipulated paint.

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    I don't know, maybe we have strayed from the original post. Are you sick of over-manipulated crap. To that I say YES. Should you avoid any manipulation whatsoever? To that I say NO. We should start a poll.
    1. no manipulation
    2. basic maipulation, exposure brightness/contrast
    3. moderate manipluatio: the above plus tastful use of hue/saturation
    4. manipluted until there's somone if there, but its not me
    5. total fabrication resulting in no original colors or photo elements remaining in the image (perfered by most editors)
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    I think I'm the one who got everyone off topic, when I said that some people consider images straight from the camera with no manipulation, while others feel that some adjustments in photoshop (or any photo editing program) can still be considered a photo..I think a good manipulation from an image is when the photo is technically correct to begin with though..you can't take a crappy photo and try to make it "art" just because the image came out overexposed, out of focus, etc.. but like I say in all my posts-thats just my opinion. Look at the thread called "photo art" LOL some of my old manipulations are pretty funny now, but I thought they were good back when I did them sometimes I get bored with the simple adjustments so I start messing with my images..not really trying to create anything in particular, but it's fun when you are bored!

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    Great topic!

    The debate will continue, even beyone the time when digital is replaced by something else.

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    What happens after that, is a matter for the artist to decide.
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    I think art is art is art is art, and everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their own artwork and its noones place to say what is better, or more pure, you can have a preference, but I always get irked by the elitism that comes with those who believe that not updating with technology gives you some sort of artistic edge over others. I think shooting and using no post-production is great, and I think using tons and tons of post production is great, its all art in the end right and its all subjective.
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    Dude... I think you are WAY off base here. Basically, you're saying that you prefer non-edited images, or as you put it, stuff that's not "over-manipulated crap". Well then, you have the right to that, and I hope you find stuff you enjoy. However, not everyone views it as that.

    As far as your comment "put down the editor and start taking better pictures.", that's a pretty rude thing to say. And besides, you can't do anything with a bad image.


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    Dude... I think you are WAY off base here. Basically, you're saying that you prefer non-edited images, or as you put it, stuff that's not "over-manipulated crap". Well then, you have the right to that, and I hope you find stuff you enjoy. However, not everyone views it as that.

    As far as your comment "put down the editor and start taking better pictures.", that's a pretty rude thing to say. And besides, you can't do anything with a bad image.
    Yup! Thats an extremely succint way to put what I was trying to say in my rant above, you can't judge people for taking advantage of new advancements in the field in which they are passionate.
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    Boy this debate can really open a can of worms. Kind of like what is the best camera system Canon or Nikon or what is the best tripod.

    Anyways, I shot film for a long time and I now shoot entirely digital. I think the only reason I would go back to film is if I decide to start shooting large format. I like the fact the I can do many of the processes sitting at my computer instead of standing in a room full of chemicals for hours. I will admit I've seen over saturated photos that make me want to close my eyes or turn away. I also know that it would've been pretty difficult to take a series of photos of the inside of a theater auditorium (see link below). If it wasn't for the ability to do HDR I'm not sure I could've really captured and documented the room properly.

    A good image starts with the photographer understanding composition and light. The next step is the camera and the media he/she uses to capture that moment in time. The final step is the print whether it be electronic or a print you can hold in your hands. For years you could manipulate the negative and the final print in the darkroom. I don't see any difference between now and then. Nowadays instead of a darkroom I work in LightroomŪ.

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    Talk about a subject that can bring out debate. I'm not a big fan of photoshop images, but then again I don't consider myself an "artist". I started taking pictures using a medium format b&w film camera and developed the rolls myself. The goal was to find a great shot and take the picture correctly, if I got it wrong it was a lost opportunity only "manipulation" really dealt with how long I chose to leave the negative in the chemicals and how I printed it. I still carry that over into digital, I do very little manipulation of any image, pretty much just the basics if necessary, I don't even own Photoshop nor was I ever able to master it when I had access to it....

    I think we'll end up with at least 2 camps here, those that take pictures for the sake of the image and those that are in it for the art and heavily manipulate their images. Personally I love Photoshoped but it becomes like any art, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. We have artists who may be photographers and photographers who may be artists, don't think there is or should be one right answer to this question, although technology really made this much easier.
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